TMGP Ep 24 with the VEGAN GIANT - Daniel Louwrens p2

oo another white boy with a podcast pronouns Jim bro another white boy with a podcast you want to see the video it went viral hi gains gurus and welcome to tmgp the muscle growth podcast episode 24 I am your host Rosco and today we're welcoming Daniel lawren onto the show for part two of his two-part series Daniel Lawrence is a towering figure in the world of bodybuilding and fitness standing at an impressive 6'4 the South African Powerhouse has made a name for himself as a successful bodybuilder personal trainer and consultant with a degree in chemistry from the University of Western Cape and multiple certifications in personal training and nutrition Daniel brings a unique Bland of scientific knowledge and practical experience to the table he has been working in the fitness industry for over a decade helping numerous clients achieve their physical and mental goals Daniel's journey to becoming a bodybuilding champion is an inspiring one after suffering from injuries that forced him to stop playing professional International Rugby he found himself in a deep depression and gained significant weight however he turned his life around by competing in a bodybing show just 10 months later dropping from 315b and 35% body fat to 240 lb and 7% body fat today Daniel competes in bodybuilding weighing anywhere between 250 to 300 pounds depending on his goals he is also a coach where he provides customized training nutrition and Recovery plans Daniel has also published many ebooks in the health and fitness space including ones on nutrition and supplementation with his wealth of experience scientific background and passion for Fitness Daniel lawren is a valuable asset to the bodybuilding Community his unique perspective and evidence-based approach make him a sord of expert in the field in today's episode we can look forward to insights from Daniel related to the enhanced games and its implications and our take on them bodybuilding the importance of effort to grow muscle the role of genetics in building muscle tissue the basics including getting started supplements eating sufficient protein Etc peeds and bodybuilding being a vegan as a bodybuilder how to manage it and overcome its challenges vitamin B6 as a supplement for peed users not listening to fear mongering in terms of health food and nutrition such as Eddie Abu the importance of food quality and more hey gains gurus before we dive into today's episode we have a special shout out to our sponsor heart and mind essay if you're looking for a delicious way to boost your workouts their creating gummies can be found on take a lot and are the perfect foit they're not just effective but also tasty treat you can look forward to every day so maybe it's time to be like me and fuel your gains with heart and mind saay if you are injured or in recovery check out the injury consultant.com and consider getting a free consultation to see whether I can help you heal restore and Thrive a little disclaimer the views and opinions expressed by guests on the muscle growth podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect my beliefs or The Stance of the podcast while we aim to provide valuable insights and information it's important to approach all topics with critical thinking I encourage you to do your own research consider multiple perspectives and form your own conclusions healthy discussion is always welcome and I'm happy to engage with listeners in the comments to continue the conversation lastly don't forget to follow us on all major social media platforms including Instagram YouTube Tik Tok and X find us at the muscle growth podcast and myself at reps with Rosco let's go on to the next topic that we mentioned the enhanced games happening in 20125 they've made some incredible promises um obviously propaganda but it's uh it's it is what it is um such a promise was that uh the fastest man alive apparently faster than bolt we'll see we'll see um we did a I remember we did a study on on bolt actually in school where it was basically explained how and why he's the fastest man alive and it came down to him having scientifically I I don't know if this is necessarily true but this is what we watched in the documentary basically said that scientifically his body is human Perfection for the purpose of sprinting I don't know that's true but that's that's what we we we were taught there is arguments like that for like let's look at swimmers if you have longer arms you going be better at swimming yeah um and even when we look at something as simple as females versus males in every single Sports on the planet males are perform Woman except for long long long long endurance then the difference starts getting less and less and less and okay okay okay I get you because females have more estrogen right slightly more accustomed to endurance racing they don't beat men but if the difference across the board is around 10% long deance that comes down to like 7% I'm using random num okay okay I was going to say 3% of all okay I get you I no I'm using random numbers just get a point across we see like strength everywhere more the explosive stuff and then the more endurance base you get then um women certainly start performing a lot better compared to but again that's I'm saying like a broad I'm not saying a specific woman in person because I mean yeah I get you like Venus would kick my ass but um when we look at General yes no I I totally I totally understand so do you think that the and one of the main comments for the enhanced games is that coming from people that maybe have uh uh played like professional sport like yourself it's just going to be very similar like and I know the athletes theyve got some big names coming um but ultimately it's probably going to be very similar to the regular Olympics since what we've been talking about they're already using stuff the literal only difference is now they don't have to worry about getting caught um so do you think there's going to be like significant improvements or because of what we've talked about and the prevalence of stuff already probably actually very marginal if any differences because it's probably a lot smaller which means fewer comp competitors which means that there's less of a pool to be getting these insanely uh Olympic level results I think there's going to be two major changes there's going to be a big change in performance and a big change in health risks of injuries so let's elaborate on the first topic the the performance so there is going to be a massive change in performance because when you look let's use run numbers let's say up until 250 Mig of an AAS is hard to detect when you use compound y okay you can hide now you're opening the book there's no more reason for Q component y so let's use 750 let's use a th a th okay that will drive performance okay we can't use certain things because it's very easy to notice let's use Halo testing as an example that may be very recognizable they don't have a compound like yet okay exactly and then point number two um because they can use more there is going to be a slightly higher risk for health rated injuries I believe oh okay I that's a very interesting take and I I completely understand your perspective I was actually on like because of obviously the propaganda I've probably been skewed by us towards it but basically one of the whole kind of philosophies of allowing is that it's actually going to and there have been studies to to back this up I believe again this is from Reading their propaganda is that uh being more open about it would actually allow it to be done above ground and that would allow people to get professional help with it and they have doctors there and they have um uh prescription grade substances and things so their philosophy I believe is that they're going to be controlling more it's going to be more in control and not so much done on the black market under undercover and that kind of thing and that would lead to fewer Health outcomes when you're a professional athlete I believe you can get the quote unquote real stuff I get you that's fair I believe if you're a professional athlete your doctors know you right I know this because when I used to play rugby professionally my coach would know which guys use yes yeah okay so I do I do understand where your point is coming from and there are certain things I do agree with like black market stuff do have more significant health risks when we look at St something like um heavy metals Etc I just think if you're a professional athlete you probably have access to the good stuff quote unquote I get you um I do think there's still a bigger health risk between using more versus less of a bad thing absolutely yes and we do know that using more will have an impact impact on performance that there is a significant benefit to going to let's say a th000 milligrams compared to 250 we know from certain studies that you need to introduce a certain amount to get above that threshold to see results yeah absolutely would so you would say it's a inverted you for the amount vers the like benefits gained but that you is different for every person so when I mentioned the people that changed the industry yeah for some people that you is long long that they can use so much more compared to the average individual absolutely no and and that's all down to probably genetics as well as environmental factors at the the end of the game I mean yeah um what are the most important factors for muscle growth effort protein synthesis recovery so effort in regards to not load not volume not anything effort if your set requires 90% effort you're going to grow 95% effort you're going to grow if you train like JP 100% effort you're going to grow if your set takes 50% nothing's going to happen right this is um effort uh are you talking about um RP or are you talking about or you talking about proximity to failure they're the same thing I believe um so I mean more like R compared to RP yeah but yes pretty much if you're want to train close enough within failure it's hard I guess effort's just the word that I've begun using to explain it to the general public but if you're not putting enough effort F into sets if you're not your face is not changing if you're not slowing down on reps if you don't slow you don't grow um okay exactly so if those things aren't happening it just means you're not putting enough stress in the body I.E you're not using enough effort right right and then the second part of that so first putting in the effort it's got to it's got to look like you're struggling basically like if you if you're there with a straight face and there are some people that are and the gym and I'm I'm very envious of them how uh there's this one one incredi big incredibly big guy and I've never seen him put an effort like he is genetically leite I think he played a lot of rugby as well um and he is probably one of the three biggest guys at the Martis High Performance gym and uh do we still and basically he literally just goes to gym he lifs heavyweight but he is Zen he doesn't ever I've never heard him make a noise I've never heard him like like he does his sets and they just look absolutely effortless but this guy is ridiculously big like he takes tape to the gym and he adds extra like plates to the 60s because they're just not big enough and he tapes them and it it looks horrific and dangerous but he he then he does all kinds of things with these added plates um but again he's not he doesn't sorry sounds like a cool guy he is a cool guy and he's super Zen like he never he he always wears the same outfit he's like he's there he's just doing his thing he's in his own world but like I said he never drops the weight he never looks like he's actually training it all looks way too easy yet he has this inane size how do you think that's possible um genetics is it okay and probably P obviously like you can you can look like you're not training hard but you can still be training hard I get you I look like I'm training hard so like let's look at longdistance athletes I'm going to walk after to like 200 meters and crawl off to 1,000 MERS you could maybe get to 5 kilometers so it's just genetics exposure things like that and to him tying T to 60s getting to 70s that might not be that much effort for him it just might not um so I think it gentics plus when I say like you have to pull a face I'm talking about moms and dads I mean I have to pull a face I pull many faces the JY but I think I think for him what I believe is that he got to where he wanted to be training hard like gritting and I think what he's just doing now is just made he hasn't grown an inch in five years that I've seen him at gym every day um I feel like he's just maintaining that insane size he's not trying to get any bigger he just looks content with what he's doing um and that's great good for him but it is just also interesting seeing someone there so big and just making it look so effortless and it's very it's very annoying but good good for him what are some key tips that you could give the audience for muscle growth and for gyming for like you said you've got a lot of general population um clients what would you give for tips okay first for the general population and then for athletes bodybuilders Advanced JY goes um for the general population just start yes pick something and them a lot of people are paralyzed by fear am I doing this right just pick up something and put it analysis paralysis as um Benjamin us said in episode one just go just go like even if you do something wrong um you're doing something right because you're moving weight and stuff like that just make sure you have good form yeah but um what is that military guy from the states who does a lot of motivation videos oh no please no David gogins no no no the guy that the the guy who's very often with him the the Marine no I I don't know but I know David gogin but his friend let's say um and he was like What if you caught in the forest and you don't know where to go just go somewhere because it's not going to get better by standing still right so pick us pick a road and the road that I would often pick for people full body every second day um A and B five exercises two to three sets preferably two just go I got you one exercise per muscle group just go get strong get dirty strong that is an identical copy by something that Jordan Peters wrote I think it's strength principles I know it works it makes sense scientifically go for it because you have quote unquote enemies surrounding you which means you can fire in any direction and you won't miss right okay exact sorry just to um reiterate that is uh full body every second day yeah okay okay um two sets per exercise one exercise per muscle group you don't have to do arms but I can understand if you want to um do that just start with that and then you start identifying where you need a more help where you need a bit less help and then you sprinkle in volume very acutely as needed uh maybe after like the first initial three months like hey I notice my back blew up or quite a bit my chest is lacking um let's add in one set of chest more like maybe I need a bit more quad activation let's add in a bit more quad and then you start progressing and the more resistance there is for you to develop the more specific you need to be okay I love the advice and then for um anything else for the general pop or should we move on to the more advanced g go get enough protein in that's the most easiest step just get enough protein like don't worry about calories just get enough in protein don't worry about timing don't worry about supplements don't worry about anything just getting enough protein I don't care what would you say is enough um depending on the research depending on how hungry you are depending on how heavy you are and where you want to go I would say a minimum of 1 gr per kilogram and then ideally that's for General po ideally one gram per kilogram of ideal weight except if your ideal weight is a lot I would say more than 10% less than your current weight so if you weigh 100 and you want to weigh 80 keep it at 100 if you weigh 100 you want to be 90 you can bring it down to 90 um that's kind of where I would stay and then if you are on a fat loss phase you can increase it by 10% easily Studies by Dr Jose Antonio in 2014 and 16 show that even if you increase protein up to I think it was 4.4 grams per kilogram yeah it was there was no added fat gain even when calories were equated for not equated for between two groups so carbs and fats with the same the only thing is the one group at 500 calories more protein fat gain was the same after 12 weeks so for a lack of better term and apologies to those that are offended by this word protein is just a bch for the body to be used as energy so when I try and lose weight my protein increases by 70 grams compared to in the ofse yeah okay so that the main main stuff for the general population and now or is it something else um then you can start looking at once you've got that in the belt start calorically control where you want to be then you can start looking at foods that digest and meld well with you um get enough sleep if you can a bit of Stress Management if you're going down the front of supplements creatine stay with creatine at some caffeine in if you want to stay there um that's about it I would say once you've done that for a solid here then you can start getting a bit more specific let's get into those specifics now for or the advanced gy go or slightly more advanced all the way up to ADV need to decide based on how busy you are based on what your needs are and based on how well you recover what kind of split you're going to follow you can still follow full body most people will trans trans progress to something like an upper lower then a pushful legs then a split this is very much again like trained by Jordan I like that idea it's very Progressive um some people go directly to the others there's no real best split I've just found for the general population going into more Focus that progression Works brilliantly um and you can spend a good minimum of six months per cycle so from uper lower to um Push Pull legs so then your volume would be split more evenly across the week so let's say you started with six sets of chest now it's 10 sets of chest across uper lower off uper lower off across let's say 3 days so now you can go 3 33 or maybe 4 43 something like that um which will allow you to put a bit more volume and a bit more effort into your training sessions again then you would also look at adding in specific sets or exercises based on where your weaknesses are um but also removing volume from other things so you can't just add in five sets of chest and expect yourself to recover as you would normally those sets would require sets from somewhere else so you might need to take one set from your back one set from your legs and pull it towards chest right right that makes sense and for for the the athletes I I assume that you're going to suggest far more protein what are what are let's let's go down that rabbit hole and then onto other tips for the advanced guys so probably then going up to 1.7 to 2.5 gr per kilogram um depending again on the variety of factors um there's no more benefits once you go past 2.5 other than hunger once when I look at the studies most of the studies interestingly enough the studies that I looked at for The Meta analysis analyz like I think 38 studies only four of which were done on trained individuals and each one showed the more protein the better yeah yeah I saw that so more protein is typically better but that gets less per time yeah so the benefit you get from going from 2.2 to 2.5 is maybe 20% going from 2.5 to 2. is 7% and then it's like 2% like 1% um so that's the big thing with protein that I would go for the one thing that I will mention is John JT also said in an interview once that when you get to a point where I am perhaps where you are so depleted he would sometimes lower his protein and increase his carbs for one or two days but his calories remain unchanged and that can help him with performance in just getting through a few days so that's it's something you can keep in your back pockets I get you yeah and as long as the calories are the same you can get a little bit of more uh energy to get you through those days especially in a depletion are you going to maybe do that now coming up before sh um probably not because of a weight capup right fair enough how um what are you weighing at the moment for your 105 weight capup um probably like 106.5 oh you're you're there I I I believe I believe you're there yeah but I feel like crap like I slept I slept seven hours in the past three nights CU I can't sleep like I wake up and I just sit on the the on my side of my bed and I just rock I can Po and forward CU I can't sleep it's terrible I'm sorry to hear about about that hopefully you'll be able to sleep better often it's cold as [ __ ] like my feet I can't feel my feet which isn't nice no that that's that's not good you should get that checked at some stage maybe after the show they just going to tell me to put an extra pair of sock well then do that if you need to I've got two pairs on already if I put on another pair I can't put on get you that's fair enough that's fair enough all right um and then yeah so you you re obviously rigorously research um Peds and stuff like what are your best like source for for your research a combination of the literature and people who have actually walked the walk I think you have to do a combination of both you have to read the literature in regards to understanding what these compounds are you have to do the research to understand what these compounds are with literature because people misunderstand things like even you and I misunderstood a few things between us because that's word by mouth then you can definitely look at certain websites forums are actually a lot more beneficial than people like to believe um but go in with a don't go in with a preconceived notion don't look for things that you are experiencing so if you are experiencing something see if other people are experiencing it but don't look for it don't look for the first person who's experiencing that and saying ooh I have this it's like it's not how it works you need to find multiples of people experiencing the same thing um website wise trained by JP very very good site I would also look at think big bodybuilding media um there's a a podcast called drugs and stuff so N Stuff with n really really good website um then I would also look at John Jam's website really phenomenal place um those are the big ones that I typically go to I know a lot of people are a fan of Steve don't know he figure Steve I haven't done a ton of his listening and work and and reading but I know he is a really really smart cookie so it's someone that I trust I just haven't dug a lot into it recently yeah I I I agree I think he is very smart um I've seen some of his protocols though and uh there like for example his beginner protocol like his first cycle protocol I can almost guarantee that it's a bad idea um just to give you a little insight into it they were so first protocol right like your very first time on on gear there were no fewer than five compounds that he suggested that you do all like compounds like not like like EX things like and I was like that is absolutely insane for a beginner first I'm not a post that if you if you introduce them at intervals no no he said from from the get you introduce five things at the same time and one goes wrong how do you know which one it is okay because they can have similar side but as a as a general I think I think five is is Extreme for your first cycle it is but like you'll always hear about someone doing more and more that person that I told you helps people um he had a guy come in with renal failure after running 10 grams of what of a per week that's too much really yeah I think so I was like 10 10 grams like where do you put like how do you drink that pull how do you f that many needles inside you like yeah it's insane that's some Boston Lloyd wrist in peace but that's some Boston Lloyd level type stuff yeah no but there are body and um more place more dates uh some Derek and fig Steve they do talk about it and like they say at an elite level 3 to eight grams is relatively common actually which is a lot of anabolics yeah what I will say is it's not always more is better and Jordan Peters said in an interview six grams didn't make me a better bodybuilder than then four or then three or or okay yes so that's where his side effect maybe Skyrock and his tanked I get you I get you and it's all about for the elite guys finding that precipice yeah I that optimal amount um in terms of uh biohacking and healing methods uh using peptides and other optimization techniques what are your what are your thoughts on on that kind of stuff I'm not that well versed in that stuff because I haven't done a ton of research on that for that your base is always going to be human growth hormone always and always always always unless you are someone that's dealing with risk of cancer or um extremely high hypoglycemia mhm I would watch out yeah um then you can start looking at to what is causing the dysfunction um you can start looking at the routes of if it's more muscular skeleton then you can look at something like BBC tv500 if it's more neurological inside systemic you can look at glutathione you can look at glutamine you can look at um con injections as well um really really strong compounds that you can do as well so those are the main things that I've heard of um but there's also so many different ones like every time I read articles I'm like wow there's something new yeah yeah well like like peptides are literally just a short chain of amino acids and the number of short chain combinations is yes I don't necessarily believe infinite but big enough number that we'd spend an entire year probably just trying to go to go to go through them um and there's like you said there's new ones all the time because you just Bond something differently and then you got a new peptide which is which and they're all very um not all maybe necessarily but to a large extent they're quite selective in what they do which is what I think makes them more not again not more beneficial sure cuz they serve a different purpose but they more targeted um and maybe more controllable I don't want to say that U cuz not necessarily true across the board but in general maybe more controllable than other um Peds that have an effect on more things in the body than maybe just bpc 157 for example correct so you are a a vegan is that's correct right with your uh your your handle on Instagram for everyone is that if that's okay oh umore Giants there we go and so you prove that it's possible to get an enormous bodybuilder and classic uh physique um size as a vegan um what do your what I'd say big I wouldn't say enormous not yet I I don't know I've been in the same room as you I'd say you're pretty pretty enormous for 99.9% of the population but I get you humble it's good it's good but you don't want to be humble on stage remember you got to think the biggest um so how would you optimize so first off you prove it's possible to build an impressive physique on a vegan diet but then what would you say optimize how do you optimize a plant-based nutrition for muscle growth and then lastly uh how do you overcome common vegan bodybuilding challenges the the principle is exactly the same the one thing that I would say is don't stick to one protein source um Andro Trav said this beautifully um oh that's another person who you could look at for um ad advice by the way if you're playing Scrabble and you only have b o c d there's only so many words you can spell so reach into the bag and get a few more letters letters so you can spell some other words this the same for proteins when it comes to vegans if you only introduce um certain proteins which are complete they just don't have enough amino acids a common misc conscription that plants are complete proteins all proteins are complete they just don't have enough to trigger optimal growth right right so they have all the amino acids they're just typically low in the sulfur containing amino acids so therefore I would combine different ones don't just stick to one you can't just eat Satan and call it a day um I would go two or three different sources um and the common Mis or the common struggles you have to make some of your own food so you have to make your own Satan um which is a powder that you buy and you have to make this loaf which you cook um that's going to be your main source of protein um vegan protein tastes like crap for lack of a better term at least in South Africa um and those are the only two main issues that I have okay so it's actually it's it's pretty simple you'd say besides besides those two issues yeah that's pretty much Satan takes a while to cook which is a nuisance compared to just like popping chicken in the oven because you have to you have to make a loaf like a bread loaf boil it okay cut it and then you have to cook it again to get a flavor into it um protein shakes can be a bit we our protein bars taste even worse than our protein shakes um and it's just like you're not going to find vegan protein sources at engine no I get you that's that's that's that's annoying yeah so sourcing it is still a little bit difficult I guess the quick the quick sources large sources that you cook they getting a lot better okay especially if you go to like Lon spas and Pick and Pay and stuff like for like where the people who drive like Porsches if you go where theop they should have something okay I get you so just find a Porsche follow it to the spa and then you'll be sorted you g yeah I get you so just yeah find a find a good neighborhood find a um Constanta mom follow her no I'm kidding this is bad advice but you you get the to my daughter there we go something something like that oh my word all right well that's um that's all the questions that I have prepared um do you have any anything else that you'd like to talk about before we go I see we still got a little bit of time um coming back to the general population just start just start don't be I understand being intimidated by the gym but just start just just go and and and even if you go wrong the biggest thing that you're going to do wrong is learning how to do squat wrong like you end up looking a bit wonky which is easy to fix but you're not going to do wrong by just trying something um and then when it comes to those that do choose to use stuff be careful yeah don't introduce more than one thing at the same time that's new because again if you not sure which one is causing what it can be hard to just to understand which is which um ask ask ask ask ask a thousand times ask um you're never going to be wrong for asking questions yeah um and then play it safe rather than sorry most of the times um understand there's always going to be a part of you that pushing more and more and more but if you think oh I might have a dysfunction where I get gyno easy avoid rather than fix soest way to avoid introduce vitamin B6 at a very high dose well how do I do that all vitamin B6 sources are low talk to someone who has used and you will know that they will tell you clicks cells of vitamin B complex um where it has 200 I think milligrams or micrograms which is 5,000% of what the average individual needs that covers you completely so where's a normal vitamin B comp is like five right just just hang on on that side I just want to get mine and see see what it says hang on so I actually have this one here from uh New Leaf of good catch um vitamin B complex let's see what it what it says so vitamin B6 74% is that not enough um no so if we go V okay wait but I take two so this is the other one I take the this one uh the Spectrum high performance from discam vitamin B6 oh no that's no good only 350% so combined I'm getting almost a th000 that not still not enough um I'm just checking not that I don't I don't think I have to worry about a gyo at this stage but we'll have to uh keep track of that I know that people use progesterone um or B6 to avoid the progesterone oh prolactin not progesterone sorry vitamin B6 group showed today greater reduction prac Nevels compared to the other group um a trial run of 60 woman of reproductive shade oh showed that 300 mg decreased vitamin B6 in three separate doses reduce prolactin similarly to koline and koline is something that has a lot of side effects a lot of side effects yeah that but that 300 milligrams is literally um 30 times uh what's in what's in here that's a lot of that's a lot of Bic but if you can buy it as a a clicks one because it has 200 per serving so which is two plls so drink three polls and you're done you're set but then you would also learn that you have to take it before you introduce that pracon so it's a preventative method rather than taking C Cal line to try and fix something so asking questions things like that you will always learn I get you absolutely well you've probably you've probably pretty much summarize but I'm just going to do the closing uh the closing thoughts just to for consistency um what advice or parting words of wisdom do you have for our listeners who are looking to embark on their own journey of muscle growth and health I would say if you are looking to build muscle get healthy just start just start choose a direction start start moving a bit of weight training doesn't have to be six times a week start with three days a week four days a week a bit of cardio is always beneficial it's not going to take away your gains um that's good get in good protein from there start calorically controlling then start looking at Food quality does food quality play as big of a role as Instagram Nazis would make you believe like Eddie Eddie I don't know his surname Eddie AB like no it doesn't play that of a big role but if you're going to eat only only Oreos and protein shakes versus a balanced diet it's going to have an effect it might give you similar effect on body composition but your blood results and health will be different um so start looking at those things get enough sleep get enough rest and then add things as are needed depending on you don't copy what someone else is no absolutely I I totally agree um on Eddie um please please please please don't take Eddie as a scientific Source um I followed him I used to follow him and uh I it's just too much it's just it's it's as as Eddie says and I'm quoting again [ __ ] [ __ ] and that's what that's what his his content is to a large extent I do agree with him that it's important to get a well-rounded uh balanced diet but everything in the supermarket is not going to kill you at least I hope if he's done different studies on it then I might be wrong but I I highly doubt that everything is going to kill you as he seems to be suggesting based on his content but a lot of a lot of Instagram peoples I saw a guy advocating like you can't eat protein yogurts and bold muscle and like no it's it's ridiculous it's completely insane who do you know only eats protein yogurts no one like no one buys to the goes to the store and says I'm going all the yogurts and puts all of them in their trolley it's like yeah I'm going to only eat this for five weeks Nobody Does that you buy like one maybe two a week so this idea is like you can't eat this because it's not going to help you grow muscle he eats it once a week three meals a day one meal of 21 that's like so little like that one meal is not going to make a difference um because you're still getting all the protein and stuff food quality wise is not going to make a difference if you buy like super uber duper Oreo flavored um yogurt that might make a difference calorically but if was calorically controlled then yeah yeah and I actually think that uh protein yogurt is probably a very good option to have in your pantry yogurt is a super food um probiotics and all of that kind of thing I think it's great and I believe it's high protein or especially that one you mentioned high protein like I don't see it as being problematic for for your diet I know vegan I'm supposed to be like non-animal foods are bad and stuff I'm not the type of vegan to push veganism onto others if you want to eat those things go ahead right to it if you want to talk shop we can talk shop but I grew up on a farm I grew up killing animals I'm not in a position where I can act holy or as I would call it holy um just don't just don't be an [ __ ] to others and I won't be an [ __ ] to you fantastic what a way to end thank you so much Daniel for your time I really appreciate it anytime and thank you for the opportunity any well not anytime but I'm sure we'll do it again thanks so much anytime man I was lovely seeing you loveely seeing you too cheers man cheers thank you for tuning in to the muscle growth podcast if you found value in today's episode we'd really appreciate it if you could leave us a fstar rating and a quick review it helps us grow and reach more people just like you don't forget to follow us on all major social media platforms including Instagram YouTube Tik Tok and X find us atth muscle growth podcast and at reps withth Rosco for more insights exclusive content and full episodes visit the musclegrowth podcast.com your support truly makes a difference so please like share comment and follow we're grateful for every bit of it until next time keep pushing your limits and staying focused on getting bigger stronger and better