TMGP Ep 35 with Emanuel Pescari: Austria’s Strongest Man and Elite Strongman Competitor part 1

oo another white boy with a podcast pronouns Jim bro another white boy with a podcast you want to see the video it went viral hi Gaines gurus and welcome to tmgp the muscle growth podcast episode 35 I am your host Rosco and today we are welcoming Emmanuel pascari onto the show for part one of his two-part series Emanuel pascari is a highly accomplished Austrian strongman widely regarded as one of the top competitors in the under 105 kg category born on June 12th 1990 he has made an incredible Mark in the world of strength Sports since beginning his competitive career in 2017 his exceptional Feats of Strength have earned him numerous titles including Austria's strongest man in the open class in 2022 and 202 23 as well as Europe's strongest man in the under 105 kg class in 2023 he also claimed three consecutive Austria strongest man under 105 kg titles from 2017 to 2019 and secured silver at the 2023 official strongman games in the under 105 kg World Championship Beyond his National and Continental victories pascari has demonstrated his dominance on the world stage he secured third place at the world log lift championship in Lithuania and holds the European under 105 kg log lift record with an astounding 180 kg lift later becoming the first in his class to press 190 kg log a world record his ability to compete against athletes in the open weight class despite being in the under 105 kg category underscores his incredible power and versatility additionally he set the under 105 kg European Atlas Stone record with a 200 kg lift and has achieved a 350 kg deadlift with a suit and straps in competition in addition to his competitive success Emanuel gari is also a strength coach and a movement and performance therapy specialist his expertise extend beyond lifting as he is dedicated to helping others optimize their strength and movement through specialized therapy his participation in team events like the Germany vers Austria team competition where he secured a second place finish further highlight his ability to excel in diverse strongman challenges pascari remarkable strength technical skill and dedication to the sport make him a standout figure in the strength and fitness Community whether dominating the competition floor or coaching others to achieve Peak Performance he continues to inspire and redefine the limits of strength in today's episode we dive into a wide range of insights some of the topics include emanuel's journey into the army getting Army fit the transition into strongman training the Golgi tendon organ GTO methods to unlock greater force output like static holds and heavy carries pescar world record attempt goals for the year including a new world record log lift attempt and Zera squat attempt emanuel's past world record titles having the EU record Atlas Stone under his belt the potential for going from a new deadlift world record muscle fiber recruitment muscle firing rate the stack for aiding injury recovery including the famous Wolverine stack of the peptides bpc 157 and tb500 working as a nurse for a decade and gaining the insight to the importance of Aging well and Longevity Peds pulling trucks tractors planes and even tanks being the strongest man in Austria and so much more get ready for a truly informative episode quick Shameless self-plug I'm starting to upload consistently on reps with Rosco on YouTube so check that out for some epic Fitness content a little disclaimer this show does not contain medical advice the views and opinions expressed by guests on the muscle growth podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect my beliefs or The Stance of the podcast while we aim to provide valuable insights and information it's important to approach all topics with critical thinking I encourage you to do your own research consider multiple perspectives and form your own conclusions healthy discussion is always welcome and I'm happy to engage with listeners and their comments to continue the conversation lastly don't forget to follow us on all major social media platforms including Instagram YouTube Tik Tok and X find us at the muscle growth podcast and myself at reps with Rosco welcome Emanuel to the muscle growth podcast where we explore subjects related to muscle science and hypertrophy I'm thrilled to have you join us for today's conversation can you briefly introduce yourself and your journey into the World of stren Sports and coaching yeah thanks for having me on thanks for the opportunity to be your guest here and I'm looking forward to this discussion so yeah I'm um two time two times um world champion in the strongman new 105 category I'm Europe's strongest man in the 105 category I'm a professional strongman quote unquote if you want to say so I'm uh yeah full-time strength coach mostly online strength coach and also mostly focused on strongman or or strength strength training in general but I also do coach some um general population and I also had some bodybuilding athletes as well in my coaching everything started basically in 2007 yeah in 2007 when I prepared for the Army I was 16 years old I was overweight and yeah I wanted to get to the Army so my goal was to be ready and to build some muscle get athletic and the thought was to be overall pretty good so that's what that basic athletic training I would say a bit more specialized towards like uh Soldier training or special forces training uh if you want to call it like that and yeah that's my introduction to to strength training I basically I'm training now so I started in my garage and I have now my gym in the garage again so after all these years everything happened so everything is now again at the starting point basically do you have a um gy in your garage now because of Co yeah yeah so I I um I started at the beginning in the garage for and I trained in the garage one year approximately until I went to the Army and I went after to other gyms and stuff like that and yeah I got my driv driving license a car and stuff and 2017 I got after into strongman and for strongman it's especially because I'm living in Austra so there's only one gym until back then was only one gym not commercial gym but open gym for the public uh who which had strongman equipment but this one was in Vienna so that's one and a half hours from from me I found on Facebook a colleague of mine from school that's a pretty funny coincidence who wasn't living that far from here and he had gym with all the strongman equipment and in 2019 so so quite a bit before covid and everything happened he decided to stop his gym and sold me pretty much all of his stuff so yeah since 2019 I have my my own gym now so you got a good deal on all that equipment yeah so it it was really a blessing from God because it was prior to all the covid madness and priz increases and everything so it was really really good he didn't try and get it back when Co hit no no no now just recently so last year or something something like that yeah half half a year ago I went and picked up some other stuff which is still kept because he thought he might start again but he was like no I don't need anything anywhere okay and did you serve in the army or was it just um military preparation yeah so I was after three years in the Army and um I did quite a lot I was um some kind of of um like in in German it's called Hunter so it's like the the on the on the first row of the battlefield basically you know wow so yeah we had quite a lot of uh stuff going on with running and tying and carrying all the the weapons I yeah I got introduced to quite a lot of um weap to to how to to handle them and how to to work with them and stuff and was pretty nice overall so yeah was a nice time what was your favorite weapon it was actually it was our uh stg77 if I'm not wrong one um because that's actually a pretty good weapon and it's pretty robust it's not that heavy and um it's it's also quite good on distance so you can if if you are a good shooter you can around two to 300 M uh shoot easily you know so you just have to be quite good but it's it's actually not that uh such a distance weapon you know but it's pretty versatile and it's also easy to to uh clean and everything so yeah that's quite a good weapon not that it being heavy would be a problem for you yeah yeah back then that's a yeah okay it's been some time but do you think you fell in love with the gym and strength training in that year leading up to get your body fit for the Army and then throughout the Army I guess you had to be fit and and there's lots of gym and and nutrition and focus for you and if for the Army people in general yeah so I think the the introduction which I had to strength training was a bit unique in that sense that I got introduced with of course some typical bodybuilding training because um I'm originally from Romania and I was born in Romania but I was only 9 months old when my parents came to Austria and my dad did some kind of bodybuilding in Romania and when he came here he built his own equipment and that's how I got after started and he introduced me a bit into bodybuilding training but because of this idea that yeah I have to be some kind of athlete I have to be all around that also meant for me I have to be able to run I have to be able to have a lot of endurance I have to be able to Sprint I have to be able to to to do a lot of crazy agility moves and stuff like that so I had all these things kind of integrated into my training besides building muscle losing fat and and um yeah build building overall hypertrophy basically you mentioned that you didn't just want to do the bodybuilding and that you were more keen on the allround kind of approach like the well-rounded strength uh distance um and obviously hypertrophy it wasn't just the bodybuilding even though I think you mentioned that your dad introduced you to the bodybuilding type uh training what made you decide I don't just want to do that I want to have a little bit of everything and be super strong and big etc etc yeah so the idea was um when when my dad introduced me to bodybuilding into strengthening it wasn't pure by thebuilding because it was some kind of mixture of everything but it was like it was very heavily influenced by um Arnold's time and maybe a bit more into the silver ERA with some other crazy movements and stuff like that so I had Alo already quite a nice uh start from the beginning but the idea was also yeah I want to get ready for the Army and I want to be a good soldier kind of like special ops kind of stuff you know so that's why I knew okay I don't only have to be muscular and strong but I also have to be endurant so I have to be able to run a lot to carry a lot I have to be able to be fast so sprinting and stuff like that I have to be able to to to do this crazy stuff with u uh crawling and and um rolling around on the floor and jumping and all these things so there was always this idea for me that I have to be prepared for everything from from the very beginning and that's how I also trained after that I was uh pretty much my my training was one day strength training so focused on moving heavy weights but also after uh with more isolation exercises and stuff like that a bit more a bit more focused on on on higher reps so getting volume acquiring a bit of volume and stuff and the days in between was running and jumping and stuff like that and most of the time I went I went in running not only on the street but I also went like directly through the forest jumping and running through through rivers and stuff like that so it was like really hardcore and I Implement I tried to implement it Implement everything as good as I knew you know I just did stuff that's it basically that's so cool and how would you say that training has changed to what you do now is it more strength focused or do you still do a little bit of everything are you still able to run as quickly as you used to or is it now more um because obviously your world record holder is it now more focused it depends of the pH it's it's of course it's a lot more strength focused and um over the over the years or also theel quite a lot of muscles you know of hypertrophy yeah that's why you here I'm also quite blessed with certain body parts being very very developed like like my biceps or my coughs you know U where I'm already going that far to say yeah I don't even want to have that big of a bicep and okay coughs that don't hinder me at all but bicep like for cleans and stuff like that it's a bit uh yeah but that's another story you know um so no I lost my thought my train of thought no worries I think that most of the people listening here wish they had the same problem as you with the biceps being too big I think a lot of the people on the um listening to the muscle growth podcast are going to be very envious of you I no no now I I got it yeah that's why I don't usually I don't like to mention this you know because uh I know people might get might not get offended but they would they are like what is this guy talking about you know I want to have bigger biceps and stuff like that yeah so but it's an interesting one like you're saying you can be too big for specific things like a bodybuilder is probably some obviously you get different size bodybuilders but some of them might be too big to be really good at a certain sport maybe they used to be really good at because they literally just too big for example maybe some of the open guys would not be fantastic tennis players or fantastic at another sport or soccer players or something they're just too big and I'm not saying that a big bodybuilder can't be good at sport because I know many that are really good at sport and they big so they got everything but they maybe there's a cut off between being two to big and then being really really in the top 1% of the 1% at a particular Sport and that's the tradeoff that that you've got to make but it sounds like you found a cool sport where you can get bigger and bigger in strength and it's not going to hinder you if anything obviously you've got your weight cap to to manage but other than that you you can pretty much get more muscle up until unless you want to go to the next category I guess yeah exactly yeah and that that's if you know a bit the story or if someone from your audience knows the story from Bruce Lee he got also into strength training uh after a while and he discovered yeah okay if he's gaining muscle and he's gaining strength he's getting faster but up to a certain point because after that certain point he observed he's getting now actually slower and that's something what he didn't want because for him like speed was King basically so that's why he stopped after and he didn't stop completely he just reduced the amount of volume to not build even thirder muscles and get slower so yeah for us in in in strength coaching and U training for not only for strength sports but for different other sports it always depends about the goal and the the requirements of the sport you know because like you just said you know certain sports like like in strongman because it's a strength sport but or if we're looking at football it's good if you're like big and muscular and heavy and stuff you know but for other sports it might not be that good you know I I also compete competed if you want to say in Ninja Warrior and that's also not so good to be that heavy you know so I had also to cut way more down for that to to get at least some more uh explosiveness and Agility and grip endurance because that was also important um have you heard of Jenny maau oh so she's the world's oldest Ninja Warrior and she's actually been on the show I think she was um episode uh let me see where's Jenny uh Jenny mcco was actually episode six of the muscle growth podcast she's fantastic she's 71 years old and she did an ninjja Warrior she's the oldest ever Ninja Warrior crazy crazy no no crazy so um that's an interesting principle you mentioned like by Bruce Lee with the Goldilocks principle of you can get bigger and stronger up until a point but then after that point like you said he started getting slower um and I think that that lead us quite nicely into the next kind of question how do you train specifically for strength how would you say it differs from bodybuilding training and just from other sport training in general so the thing is you have to think about strength Sports and strength training a bit more from a bigger perspective and to look at from at it from a bigger perspective because you have to to develop certain capacities and certain positions and certain technical executions which I don't say it's not necessary for bodybuilding but you want to be as efficient as possible and as resilient as possible in that very position you are training you know so that's why you have to spend a lot of time training these positions and this capacities because we also don't think like bodybuilders mostly do and I know there are this funny memes going around sometimes you know where uh someone is doing a certain movement and quote unquote you know a bodybuilder is standing next to it and asking which muscle is training that you know this um movement and stuff like that but for us it's the movement which we are looking at and the the range of motion or that that specific range where maybe a certain weakness appears in that movement you know so there we might after start to think okay it's actually the movement it's technical inability or it's a technical problem why the movement is now not uh getting better or why we can't use heavier weights or is it an inability from a certain muscle which can produce that much force because compared to other muscles in that very movement it's maybe not as developed as the other muscles you know or it might be okay maybe the muscle is developed enough but the the firing rate and the the the um neurological activity if you want to say so isn't as high you know you can you can uh it's basically like a mind muscle connection or broken down on a really simple level but in a different way you know because it's not like okay you want to focus now in a deadlift on your hamstrings on or on your glutes you know it's just that okay the the glutes aren't really firing as they should that's why it's also sometimes going around your your glutes are sleeping or you have to activate your glutes and stuff like that the wording is a bit unlucky you know but it kind of describes what we want to say about that because it's not that the glutes aren't working at all or they are sleeping it's just that the glutes could actually produce more force and could could work better with other movements or with other muscles but they're just not because maybe there is some neurological in inhibition or just the the recruitment pattern isn't as good or the firing rate isn't as good so there are many different different things on which we have to look at strength training overall pretty pretty simple is okay we want to to get more muscular basically you know because a bigger muscle potentially has more strength you know on the other side if you increase strength you also have the potential to get more muscular up to a certain point you know there's also the the the uh coordination which you have to always uh think about because if you want to get good at like let's say a a log lift if we are taking a from strong men you know you can't just train um seated overhead press in a Smith machine you know or or or shoulder press in a machine or something like that you know you will get some kind of carryover because you will build your shoulders you will build build your your triceps you will build perhaps your traps and and uh maybe your your upper packs depending how depending of the execution but if you want to have a real carryover you have to get closer to the actual movement or do the movement per se to get better at it you know it I hope I explain it absolutely no I completely understand and I'm sure the audience will as well it's a really important thing you mentioned there about specificity um and where you mentioned about how you can train Smith machine overhead press and that's great but it's not going to translate directly to your low press strength it might indirectly obviously if you're getting stronger like you said you're developing the muscles and if they begin stronger then you can maybe it will translate But ultimately for the strength sports that you do you need to practice if you're trying to get strong at low pressure you need to practice log press with a log press um piece of equipment not just any old piece of equipment you see needs to be specific and I think that's really really important so I guess you would say that your ability to recruit muscle fibers is really strong being one of the strongest people in the entire world is is that what you would say is a major thing for you you have that mind muscle connection you have that ability to to recruit all maybe not all but a large majority or a large portion of your muscle fibers um to activate them to do the movement that you're trying to do yeah so there are actually even more Pathways which or how you can increase your strength so one is basically just typical inter intra and Inter muscular coordination which is just basically the recruitment of uh your muscles during the movement the better disc coordination gets especially intermuscular coordination so U different muscles working with each other the more potential of producing Force you have or or uh yeah developing strength basically but on the other way you have also inhibiting systems and one of this inhibiting system is the gendon organ so the GTO the GTO are basically sensors or or receptors in your tendons which they are sensing how much how much tension is getting on the tendon and on mostly on the tendon but also on the muscle but in the muscle you also have the muscle spindles which is another inhibiting sensor basically and these GTO are usually very very conservative you know the evidence is suggesting that most of the people are running around with just uh 40% of um allowance of the GTO to let Force happen and go from the bone from the muscle to the Bone through the tendon but you can decrease this GTO their their Sensi sensitivity basically so you can desens desensitize this GTO this Gog tendon organ and by doing that you of course need heavy weights there are special methods so normal strength training will also decrease it but there are also special methods like static holds like Ultra or super heavy static holds uh carries like heavy yoke carries heavy Farmers heav very heavy deadlifts or just partials and stuff like that they will also decrease the sensitivity and with time these GTO will reduce their conservativeness basically you know and the evidence is suggesting that even Elite athletes are just getting to around 80 to 90% of allowance so there's still room for improvement you know and what these GTO does and I know there are certain um stories about this the GTO the his mechanism or it the fact why is inhibiting the force production or the force transfer is because actually our tendons are so strong that if we really are able to produce all the force which we have we would break our own bones you know and there are this happened already to certain people so we are really actually really really strong or our muscles and our tendons are really really strong but because mostly before this is happened our tendon is rupturing ing from the bone or the muscle is rupturing you know so that's uh these are certain Pathways which how we can increase his strength understandable BR yes no sorry I think there's there's just a delay but this is super interesting stuff I've never actually I've never heard of the GTO before but I think that's something I'm going to need to go and like research because I'm definitely I I've got a very conservative nature I think um naturally but I'm trying my best to to uh overstep that that very kind of conservative nature especially in the gym um and like uh I like the way people look at me when I'm going really heavy and I'm like okay well I know that this can go badly but also like you can slip in the shower and like you know like you can so might as well really be pursuing something worthwhile um on that note I know that you're pursuing a new world record can you tell a little bit about it in the dead LIF I believe uh yeah there are actually more World Records which I want to attack yeah let's let's go for them so so pretty much my biggest goal and the they're two World Records which I'm wa wait before you tell us your next goals can you I know you mentioned you have two World Records already can you just tell us about those first and then we'll go into your goals yeah so I I want to say I want to speak anyway about the the word goals but um the first two because there are a few more which I'm kind of there but the these two are I know I'm pretty confident I'm there and I just have to prep accordingly and properly and I will hit this number so first one is the loglift world record I'm a former loglift word record holder with 190 kilg and now it's at 193 so my overall goal and this since I hit the 190 I put this number in my head because I really want want to to do it and to be the first U 105 which is actually lock pressing 200 kilos overhead I like the number I think you should do it yeah so 200 kilos would be the first one and that's something what I'm uh yeah I'm really confident I can do it and I will certainly attack it this year the second one is the zercher squad word record which now at the moment is at 280 if I'm not uh mistaken at least in our category and I did already 270 in training and there I want to hit 300 just because 300 is also such a nice number hey yeah I like the way you think that's that's incredible and you I also want to hit I tried it two two years ago yeah two years ago I tried it but there were some U organizational problems so I couldn't do it and after I injured myself um yeah long very long story but I have the European record in the U 105s in the atlas Stone load so 215 kilos over 1 M20 the world record is at the moment at 228 and I would like to hit that so 230 or more depends of the stone with stones it's always a bit tricky because yeah you have it's it's it's Stone you know they have to make it and after the stone dries and it's it's always a game playay how much the stone in the end really weighs you know and yeah you mentioned it already the deadlift world record already got broken not yeah this last weekend this Saturday and it's now at 422 so that's Al also a world record I want to break and I know I'm there I'm not sure if I can do everything because of course to prep for World Records is quite demanding you know if especially if you also have other competitions you know so I don't want to take too many things on me and to to to stress myself you know because that would be just uh um disadvantageous and just put a lot more pressure on me and increase recovery and many many more negative things so the deadlift word record and the stone word record I'm not sure depends if there is a possibility and how everything goes but the loglift world record and the the the Zer world record I will certainly attempt in October usually if everything goes right sorry I'm missed you there did you say you're definitely going for the log lift and the zercher and the deadlift and Atlas Stone potentially yeah exactly those are some really big goals and I love the way that you chose 200 because it's a nice number and then 300 why not cuz it's a nice number you could have said 275 or 280 but I like the way you're thinking 300 I think you can definitely do it I saw you do I think it was I've written it down let me see what it what it was here um oh I saw you do a 255 kg squat with an with hang on with an 8C Ecentric that I've never seen ever by anyone ever that's insane completely raw so no sleeves no belt and with AA no belt even no Bel yeah that's that's absolutely that's insane that's really cool though well done to you thank you I'd love to get close to that inner Bel and sleeve wonder wonder um so what would you say like you mentioned the GTO you said like the athletes and strength um people have like 80 to 90% unlocked what would you say where's yours at current would you say you're at 9095 or and is that a percentage this is it's funny because this is some mind game which I'm playing many times and I'm thinking there might be maybe a bit more to it but I always wondered and it's funny if you're looking at weight class athletes especially in strength sports like in strongman in powerlifting in Olympic weightlifting um you're seeing the small guys they can create a lot amount of force and they are really really strong and they're moving weights which are like ridiculous you know like three times body weight some four times body weight depending of the exercise of course but it's just ridiculous you know but their muscles the volume of their muscles aren't actually that big you know and if you're comparing that to someone who's bigger and if we taking the thought of okay a bigger muscle is potentially a stronger muscle so there is somewhere something missing you know it's either the the GTO are still too conservative and I know from I as a person I have quite a lot of muscle and I know okay my muscles are quite voluminous I am muscular compared to others compared also to to the guys in my class because I'm 175 CM so uh 5' 7 or 5'8 something like that and I'm pretty small compared to many others you know many others are are like um 6 foot or something like that so 185 or quite bigger than me but they also like not that muscular and they can still produce a lot of force so I'm thinking okay if I'm more muscular I should also be able to produce a lot more Force because of of the bigger muscle fibers and the more muscle fibers which I have and that's why I'm thinking actually there should be more potential in me so I don't know if it's still the gto's I don't know if there's some if I still have the to develop the firing rate which you can after 80% maybe your listeners know this but after 80% basically on the bar you are recruiting or your fast witch muscle fibers until then it's like the uh hman principle where it's the size principle you know the slow twitch and after the the the intermediate and after the fast W fibers and after 80% you are recruiting already all your muscle fibers and the only thing which has to happen is the firing rate so how fast this this this uh muscle fibers are switching on and switching off you know and the faster this goes the more strength you can produce and uh in to some extent you can also produce it faster you know so you can there's explosiveness and there's force and strength and many variables so yeah I'm thinking okay there should be somewhere something what I still can to improve quite drastically if I can say so you know um so I'm able to produce even more force and I'm still able to to reach into New Heights you know I just have to figure out exactly okay what is holding me now back if I can say so you know it's the GTO which are still conservative maybe maybe not um so far I had some injuries nothing related to tendons nothing related to Bones yeah so it might be um but it also could be something neurological you know so just the firing rate um rate of force development and stuff like that on that injury note that you just mentioned do you and other strength athletes typically use pites like bpc 157 tb500 to aid in recovery and are there other um compounds that you also utilize yeah so when I got injured or when I'm getting injured I like to use BP bpc 157 and tb500 because I know there is a bit of controversy about that if they're really actually helping or not but from personal experience I I can say they help you know because like for example if we're taking the Stone word record attempt which I tried two years ago so I got injured after because I tried the 230 cuz there was a lot of rest and it was in the Sun so I was dehydrated and many some other things going on so I got injured after I tore partially both of my hamstrings yeah I could I couldn't even really walk my wife had to put on my socks and to help me the first few days to to put my stuff on you know to wash me it was really fun and six weeks after so six weeks after I won Europe's strongest one yeah and we had there a deadlift lead we had power stairs we had a yoke run so and that's works yeah it definitely helped are you comfortable to talk about like your stack so bpc tv500 is a growth hormone um anavar what testosterone what what else is is in there for yourself and then for typical strong um in general would you say so now yeah yeah um so that's what I'm using and I'm when I'm injured if not I'm not using that I would I'm also personally doing just more for for longevity and just as a side note I worked almost 10 years as a nurse I I saw how it is in hospitals I saw how it is in old people's houses or homes so I know what it means to get old and all this stuff so for me being healthy is really of a lot of high importance so everything what I'm doing even ped wise is like very well fought and with blood uh blood work and blood pressure everything so that's why um just for for longevity and for Recovery purposes I'm using one unit of HGH so of growth hormone per day and since last year I'm down at 150 mg of test uh inate per week before that I was 2 years on 250 and that was it for certain competitions I used around 3 to four weeks prior um a bit of Halo for us pre-workout basically for certain trainings and a pre workout basically for um for the competition and that's it um I experimented a bit with muston but I didn't feel any any help so that's what I'm I'm I'm on and I had the gains of my life basically and my my blood markers are also really good I'm um my heart rate is around 50 uh my resting heart rate my HRV is good in range my blood pressure is around 120 to 80 still so yeah my heal markers are also fine so everything is good and as long as the side effects are like pretty much non-existent I'm good with that you know and the progress is also doesn't scream for yeah I'm stalling or something like that so I don't need more you know why should I that makes total sense and it's so interesting that you were a nurse for 10 years well well done to you and um and I love that you're taking your health and uh things so seriously I think it's very interesting I think uh probably a lot of people that have World Records maybe don't do that because they're more uh uh they care more about the world record than their health maybe than the long-term kind of game so I think you've done incredibly well to be caring about the long-term as well as hitting World Records I think that's phenomenal and thank you for your transparency for being open about ped usage and um I think that that's an incredibly low dose for anyone getting a a world record and that's basically a trt or an HRT kind of typical dose um so that's incredible um so you know if you ever uh don't hit that 300 Zer or that 200 log lift you you just up to 250 and then you'll definitely add in add in one one or two um anavar you'll be 100% probably just smash all the w't even need to train yeah I think think I'm I'm a hyper responder to this kind of stuff maybe not to everything but to test the yeah maybe to test I'm a pretty hyper responder you know so that's why yeah so you've never tried anavar no I'm not suggesting anything here but yeah I know I talked already with oo with some uh some of my coaches U which who I'm working with and stuff and they said like hey anavar would be a good option no definitely but that's that's really incredible I think you must have some of the well obviously you have some of the elitest genetics in the world to be a world record holder but also like you said you're definitely a hyper responder and I don't want the people listening to think that they can do the same small amounts of PEDs that you do and then achieve what you you've just a or what you've achieved so far and what you're still going to achieve because cuz it's unlikely that they will be able to to do that but well done to you let's see what what next um so I've seen you pulling pulling tanks and planes probably caruse what's the inspiration what was your favorite thing to pull yeah so that's typical strongman and um usually we in strong strongman have anyway truck pulls so that's pretty standard and pretty normal to pull any kind of truck sometimes tractors you know depends of the the competition in the event um I pulled so far tractors and trucks we tried to pull the plane and the tank of course the tank is not possible you know there was um once in Russia a few years ago eight strongman like really heavyweight strongman they tried to pull a tank and I think they they pulled it just one turn of the of the chain you know the no I know what you mean of the tracks yeah exactly yeah so they pulled it only one turn and after it stopped again you know and it's the the tank had I think it was around 50 50 tons or 60 tons it's actually sounds maybe ridiculous but it's actually not that heavy yeah but but because it's a tank doesn't have wheels you know and with the chain and stuff it's like impossible and the plane was uh the plane is also around 50 tons but it's really highly dependent uh about the tires because if the plane stays too long on one spot and it's not moving the tires are getting flat and after to turn the tire is like really hardore and it also is like highly dependent about the the street the street has to be Lev because if there is any kind of um slope slope or something like that you won't be able to move it you know so we had the possibility here when we when we did this video with um a huge German or Austrian Fitness influencer who has like around 2 million YouTube followers or subscribers and on Insta also almost half a million so he wanted to to get all or some big Fitness influencers Together so on social media and he also um because I was in connection with him I worked a bit for him for his app and um yeah he also called me after as the strongest man of Austria and the strongest man from Germany and we all after got to somehow to the Army because he had some connections with them and that's where we tried to pull the tank and the plane was was really really nice so it was a nice nice experience was just pretty un unfortun unfortunate because we were in February there and it was like really cold it was like uh almost I think it was minus degrees because there was still a bit of snow there uh where the plane was it was a a wind going like you almost flew away you know so was Hardcore it sounds hardcore yeah that's really cool that's so cool yeah and um what have you ever gotten your gymnastics tested to hear emanuel's response and much more you're going to have to tune in again on the next episode of the muscle growth podcast thank you for tuning in to the muscle growth podcast if you found value in today's episode we'd really appreciate it if you could leave us a fstar rating and a quick review it helps us grow and reach more people just like you you don't forget to follow us on all major social media platforms including Instagram YouTube Tik Tok and X find us atth muscle growth podcast and at reps with Rosco for more insights exclusive content and full episodes visit the musclegrowth podcast.com your support truly makes a difference so please like share comment and follow we're grateful for every bit of it until next time keep pushing your limits and staying focused on getting bigger stronger and better